Tarot for the 21st Century!
Let's say I pick a card for the past, the present and the future, and get the 8 of Swords, Strength and The Chariot. I would think that means, generally, that I overcame past problems and will be moving on to bigger and better things.
Then I read that Strength is Leo and The Chariot is Cancer so the two cards I thought could work together are actually enemies - fire and water.
What do I do here?
Thanks for your reply.
For clarification, can you tell me two things:
- what gave you the idea of avoidance? Was if from a card or a combination of cards, or from elements, or what.
- where do you get the idea of aggression from? As before, was it from a card, or combination, or elemental combination, or what?
You talk about not giving in to aggression in the future, so is the idea connected in some way with The Chariot?
Well here goes -to me the 8 swords is strengthened by the Strength card (air+fire) and when positively affected I think of its energy as being stronger so it's like instead of just being about being stuck or having blinders on to a situation in which you may need to take control because the prison is all in your head which how I usually think of the 8 of swords when it's by itself - being strengthened by a fire card makes me think that since it's in the past it's a situation that you avoided because to me a stronger version of having blinders on is to ignore or avoid dealing with something altogether. Also it seems significant that you have 3 cards that are about control - 8 of swords - the need to take control, strength - soft control -- chariot - hard control.... also you have two "8s" in a row -which because I also use Tarot Dynamics concepts - are about "renovation"
Since the Strength card is in the middle of this and right next to the Chariot I feel it is negatively affected whe looking towards the future and positively affected when looking at the past - but that it's probably the most significant card of the three - so like your way of being strong is important. Look at the card - mine has a lady easily leading a lion - nice concept - but the lion also represents to me aggression which to me is what the strength card is talking about when negatively affected - you can be strong without coming on like a lion -
The Chariot for me when by itself is about victory and also control and also I'm using the Tarot Dynamics concept of the 7s (chariot) being about relationships - when negatively affected by being next to a water card the chariot says to me that the situation is "hard to steer"
Does that make sense - what do you think...lol, am I way off?
I didn't mean for it to sound negative but it's so helpful to me that you point that out because I don't think of it as negative but showing a need to renovate the use of strength in the situation.
If it's bills and debt - hmmm, well, I didn't see any money involved in the spread but I guess I could see paperwork (swords) that could have to do with money -- I know it's in the past - but with your example it makes me think that even though we shouldn't, sometimes we avoid paying bills or kid ourselves into thinking that they won't come back to haunt us -- I guess with these cards and if it's a money situation - I might look at the past as something that you went through and that is not a main concern in the present but that may have bearing on the future - like getting a loan that took care of the situation at the time in the past but of course the loan will have to be paid off eventuallyin the future - like you were able to avoid paying it all out - if you've got bad credit perhaps you got a loan from a friend who lent it to you because of the inner strength of your personality or the strong bond you have, but that you will need to pay it eventually as you can't keep relying on the strength of that bond to deal with that past debt??. but I have to admit it feels a little like I'm going out on a limb here as I just didn't see it as a money sit...but I didn't know what the question was about to begn with so...
I don't think the future "victory" is not attainable - but that your "relationship" to strength impacts it.
I really appreciate what you're saying the idea of control being able to be applied to any card... I will definitely do some thinking about that and see if that's what I've been doing... hadn't thought about it when it comes to The Magician - who I think of as having all the elements at his disposal or Temperance which I think of as the need for tolerance or compromise or Justice which I've been thinking of as more like balance and cause and effect or the need for objective reasoning - but wow, you've kinda opened that up for me now and given me food for thought - thanks!
Would you mind telling me your birth data, just out of interest and so I can relate it to what you're saying. If you don't want to, then that's totally fine, of course. You could email it to firstname.lastname@example.org.
I'd like to think some more about what you've just said rather than just react to it, so I'll reply again in a bit.
Thanks again for your detailed reply.
> showing a need to renovate the use of strength in the situation.
I think I know in a general way what that means, but what would you say to a questioner about what that person should actually DO to bring this about? It sounds good, but what does it mean?
I find that it is important that the man-in-the-street-questioner should be able to understand and act upon what we say the Tarot is saying.
>If it's bills and debt - hmmm, well, I didn't see any money involved in the spread
Does it really matter what the details are? The person was stuck and trapped - to some extent by their own reluctance to face certain demands society makes on us all; but not everyone is good at keeping on top of material needs.
>or kid ourselves into thinking that they won't come back to haunt us --
Or expect that our good work and honest attitude will generate enough income to pay off the debt. You were born on a Wednesday, so you tend to look on the dark side.
>if it's a money situation
It's not specifically a money situation - but the 8 of Swords is more like examples of the kind of trouble lots of people get into, really through no fault of their own, but they end up stuck and unable to move and paralysed.
>but I didn't know what the question was about to begn with so...
It was pick a card for the past, the present and the future. The answer seemed straightforward enough until I tried to use the elements - that people say are so useful, but that I wanted to see in action.
Priscilla said that maybe past, present and future isn't the best spread for demonstrating the use of the elements. This was kind of disappointing. If the method can't answer a simple past, present and future, then what is it good for?
>idea of control
Fixed signs have a thing about control and power because they think they're God, or at least a human and limited-thinking version of God. Other signs couldn't care less.
The Magician controls his thinking, the audience, and his hands if he is to perform his tricks; Temperance needs to regulate the flow between the cups; Justice has to control its thinking; etc.
If you take a concept like intelligence or creativity, you can't see it as belonging to one or other of the trumps - though people do do this. You might think that creativity belongs with The Magician, but The Emperor is creative too - you have to be creative and intelligent if you're going to run an empire; so are the other trumps creative and intelligent, but in their own way.
That is one of my objections to the idea that 2011 is a 4 year -- so certain behaviour makes more sense or we ought to do certain things.
Why is 2011 better than any other year for starting new projects, or for changing your life, or for re-organizing your values, or whatever else this year is supposed to be good for?